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Tu_kolega escribió:Me anime y me pille la loki mini pro intel , llegara para navidades ?
Tu_kolega escribió:Me anime y me pille la loki mini pro intel , llegara para navidades ? Hice la reserva ayer y creo que va por el ticket #70XX
Not sure the exact time but the fastest shipping time is in December.
Long story short, we should be ready to show a working prototype of loki max on the end of this month, now we are still working on the eDP to MiPi bridge, we picked a converter chip which has perfect power efficiency compared with compeitor's converter chip, but this chip has known issues interfacing with AMD 6800u when fetching EDID over eDP AUX channel，so we need an extra FPGA with super small footprint and super low power consumption to fix this issue, that is why we are quiet during the past 2 weeks.
Now it is still too difficult to say we are able to ship Loki within this Q4, but I think we can have more realistic answer after we finalize the screen issues
We changed to the joystick with the biggest size and travel after we got plent of user's suggestion emails
Ayn's team are too stressful and too careful about all the specs of skus in Loki family, I think basically it was the old Odin users who backed us again with Loki, but in Windows gaming handheld market, we have too many competitors here in China, and as everyone knows, Aokzoe started shipping months ago, so now, the first goal for Loki is not to create the earliest shipping time, but still to create the best quality and best customer satisfaction. The estimated shipping time is Q1 of 2023.
The newest LPDDR5 @ 6400Mt/s, if you need further detailed timing spec, you can email us for component datasheet.
Since we changed to the biggest joystick, more space on the controller is required, the width will increase and we will release the new ID of Loki when we can have a working prototype which is supposed to be ready on the end of this month.
I can only give a rough answer here, around 600g
No, not recently, the bag design is an easy and quick task and process
It comes with Windows 11 as default
We will vote the favorite colors for the vinyl skins for loki, and since the moq for a specific color isn't very high so the cost will be very limited, so we will create vinyl skins for high demanding colors as possible as we can
Heatpipe + heatsink with fins + Fan
Unfortunately nope, new estimate shipping date is 2023.Q1(roughly)
He gave us a lot of inputs, lol;), and over 90% of his complaints and suggetions were well accepted
Right now, Loki will still have grips similar as Odin and more outstanding design for ergonomics, Loki is a quite different product with significantly higher power consumption and way much bigger battery which make the ergonimics more challenging compared with Odin. Excpets for the grips, Loki will have colored LEDs and better joysticks, as well as better L1/R1 and analog shoulder buttons, in a single word, loki will be designed to be control friendly with better ergonomics
Yes, of course
We don't have plan on hyper dock with eGPU enabled, it is a super power hungury device and full of design chanllenges, and I think a third party hyper dock might be ready to go to the market next year under well-known brands. The new hall effect joysticks are much bigger than old switch style joysticks, it is basically the same size as the joystick of big existing gamepads
The biggest challenge right now is still going with the way to bring up the MiPi screen, we have mature solution on our hand which has over 600mW power consumption which blocked us to try, the high power consumption eDP to MiPi bridge will be our last safe choice, but, however, it is still to early to give up our current solution which require only 130mW, and this solution just has the last issue waiting to be fixed by a small FPGA. The power consumption of the current eDP to MiPi solution sounds too good/decent, and I hope people can hold your breath to wait our good new on next week. for me, to choose the old safe solution is the way to make people happy, it seems too stupid to take weeks long waiting for bringing up the new solution, but I hope the final power consumption of Loki can get around 500mW lower than the other competitiors, it was my dream to control the overall power consumption as possible as we can, so I need everyone's patience here
First I am sorry that we can't make every small steps visible for all the people who preordered Loki. In my mind, I think only the progress at milestone level should be marked as a decent progress, but Nicole told me we are losing people's trust since too many users feel anxious without any good news feeding. I have to admit, our competior did a better job than us especially on marketing and communication. We are more serious on loki's design, and since we are monitored by too many competitors around, so I have to keep the design ideas confidential until it is safe to reveal. Just as what I mentioned above, we have kept answer emails on all kinds of design recommendations, and learning all kinds of stuffs from existing comments and reviews from existing models, ayn seems too slow in somebody's mind, but we are not a stupid company but with full attention on product innovation and customer's advice and suggestions. I will try to do one QA every 2/3 weeks from now on
No, it won't add any latency that noticeable, just add latency in us level(less than 1ms) literally
I am not sure whether the EDID has a separate section for ICC profile, if yes, then the aswer is yes.
but I need to check with our engineer
Sure, we will have an app come with the device for controlling all device peripherals and TDP
Sure, Ayn will be the partner of SteamOS
FHD, 1080*1920, low power consumption, TDDI, 5.9' and exact 60Hz working in MiPi video mode
The DVT board of Loki Zero is ready but it has the same problem interface with MiPi screen, it requires an external eDP to MiPi bridge solution as well, so the release date of Loki Zero should be quite close to Loki max, but Loki Mini used Mendocino which was announced on this October, so Loki Mini should be released 2 months later than Loki max
Please refer to up mentioned Question 23
It seems to be a creative idea, but since the speed of typeC will be limited, I don't know whether people minds the speed loss or not, and if not, this idea should be a great idea and it worths a try
haha, this is a fantastic question, ya actually we are trying our best to cooperate with big assembling factories with very decent productivity and good quality management flow, and actually we have 3 candidates and each of them have around 500 workers and more than 20 assembling lines and stable amount of employees and excellent management team
The design goal of the current cooling system of Loki max and Loki is 28W~30W
Yes, 40G is my dream and also the dream of AMD support team
I don't want that people will think Loki is scam for collecting money, that is why I didn't choose IGG but preorder on Shopify, your money is safe because Paypal won't release the money until the shippment happens. I have nothing to say to the people who on the fence abouth cenceling their preorder, since it was people's free chocie, but I want to say THANKS to the people who keep his faith trusting ayn. Except for the affordable price wise, we care every technical details and Loki's eDP to MiPi bridge is a typical example. So, the safe money, the price, the efforts on detail aspect of specs, the continuous listening to customer's voice, the honest attitude on technology, any of the item listed above should be reason for people to wait Loki
The begining of Q2
I hope ayn can shine like a super star in Android handhelds, and actually for the consideration of Odin sequel, we will give some amazing surprise to supported users, we will not choose outdated processor but maybe the most modern technology from Qualcomm, and we don't have plan to move to MiniPC currently. Since now we have good userbase of Android handhelds and maybe good userbase of Windows handhelds, we won't stop on mid-end product only but a higher end product tier should be targeted. Both Steve Jobs and Apple are my learning example, I hope we can be Apple in this niche market one day in the future
Ya, the current board doesn't have this consideration for power the device using wired charging without battery, but I think it is a very nice idea, and we will consider your request, I need to check with our engineer. Thanks so much!
Ya, should be very close
same timeframe as Loki max
At this point what I can tell is, it will have better audio than Odin, since the room for the speaker is way larger
Yes, now it is still possible, since 3200u is pin to pin compatible with 3050e, the final decision is depends on the MOQ, that is to say, if we got enough people (typically 500) who like a 3200u upgrade, this will happen
No, if you follow our instructions and keep loving ayn.
It will be wider for giving room to the big joystick with good enough travel
We will have 2 accessibility buttions on the front shell and 2 on the back, the functions are software defined( these 4 buttons have wired connections to EC(bios managements)
I think it depends on 2 factors for us to consider a wider screen.
1. People love it
2. The screen is decent enough especially with good specs and features
It means how many watt the cooling system can handle for 6800's TDP
Thanks for your suggestion, we will consider adding 4px for more products soon, and yes, it will my pleasure and my great honor to sign your Loki
Not the same as the we showed on the website, and we will reveal the design once the screen issue is fixed, maybe in the middle of November
That depends on the TDP you are working with. Literally speaking, for a 45wh battery, if you are working with a 15W TDP, you are likely to have 2hours as the battery life
I think for miniPro AMD, it should be better, but for mini pro Intel, since it was the same 15W tdp device, I think the batter life advantage won't be that big
Yes, actually we will have 6 candidate eDP timing defined in EDID table, we got the suggestion for enabling 40Hz refresh rate for heavy AAA games from email discussion
yes, it was a known issue, and our engineer will help the community to fix it, it is easy fix though
ya, the two joysticks are swapable to be hall base or not. we have both components for people, don't worry
Ces escribió:¿Cómo están los ánimos entre mis Lokibros? xD.
Yo, después de leer el Q&A y viendo el vídeo de la Aya Neo 2 de Taki Udon, qué queréis que os diga... cada vez tengo menos claro el seguir apostando por Loki.
A mí modo de ver, la mejor pantalla y ese pequeño extra de batería hacen a la Aya bastante más atractiva (también más cara sí, pero por lo que tengo entendido Aya es más receptiva a declarar un valor menor del paquete que Ayn con lo cual lo que te ahorras en la Loki lo mismo lo acabas pagando en aduanas...).
Y luego la Loki, por lo que saco del Q&A va a ser igual que la Aya pero con peor pantalla y batería... Amén de que, cómo no, se han pasado la supuesta fecha de envío por el forro, apuntando a un Q1 de 2023 que vete tú a saber.
No sé, ¿qué pensáis vosotros?
Vectorchile escribió:me canse de esperar, mejor ire por la steam deck. Alguien sabe cual es procedimiento para cancelar?
Vectorchile escribió:me canse de esperar, mejor ire por la steam deck. Alguien sabe cual es procedimiento para cancelar?
Vectorchile escribió:Aún no lo tengo decidido, pero por Ebay ofrecen la deck por el precio oficial (con algo de recargo) con envío por DHL. Eso sí, me tendré que comer el impuesto de importación si o si
It is still too early to discuss the compatiblility related topic, but since we have partnership with SteamOS, so literally what all the features that steamOS have should be supported in Loki.
We didn't support 48Hz yet(Only 40/50/60Hz), but literally speaking, 2x refresh rate won't cause any problem.
It was a little bit wider and higher than the current Odin, we will reveal the rendering once the MD design is really, so hopefully in the begining of December, we can finalize MD design.
May I answer your question on next QA? Probably in the middle of December.
Yes for Loki Max and Loki.
This week we are finally get touch panel worked, LEDs worked weeks before, and the last item is X-axis vibration motor, we will start the design from next week.
Yes, they will
We will reveal details in the middle of December.
Not determined yet
Yes, it will be Hall swapable.
Since it seems impossible for us to get the same quantity as Odin, I think high MOQ blocks the possibility, but if we can reach a higher sales volume, I think it is still possbile. Loki will share same qualified plastic material the same as Odin
No, it won't, the front shell of Odin has a metal frame that fixed in the center, which will make heat induction of the plastic stream during plastic injection to be unbalanced, that is why the cracking shells happen. The front shell of Loki and the center metal frame are designed to be separated, so basically, no worries, it won't be a issue.
Nothing sounds to be breakthrough innovations, but we do have some small steps that have moved ahead already, and basically they are most hardware stuffs at the current phase.
(1) Screen fresh rate features, 40Hz/50Hz/60Hz
(2) Flexible resolutions, like 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x720, etc
(3) Hall sensor based Joysticks/shoulder buttons
(4) Low power video bridge technologies (eDP to MiPi)
(5) Natural USB HID based touch, 10 fingers multi-touch support
(6) Natural XBOX gamepad protocol support
(7) The best X-axiels vibration motor experience
(8) Good ergonomics and low power TDDI screen (we are the first one that support TDDI in-cell touch )
Loki and Loki max will be the first one to release, and just X-axiels vibration motor was not finalized
Not planned yet
It won't be too difficult to backup the images for Windows and SteamOS, so yes, I think so.
Not planned yet
Haha, again, it will be my pleasure and my honor
(1) Hall swapable sticks
(2) ppl like big sticks the same as X-box game pad
(3) to give enough travel to Hall based shoulder buttons
(4) to deliver better vibration experience
(5) high quality speakers which requires more room
(6) better ergonomics
Yes, both AMD 6800u/6600u have good spec on micro sd card interface.
For windows itself, and ppl isn't new to windows update, and for Loki control interface, currently ppl can download apps from our website, I know it is very basic, but at least we have a way for ppl to update apps
Not determined for the game launcher, on the beginning of December will have next update, all the design should be done at that time
- To control tpd
- To control display brightness
- To control display hertz
Window has natural display brightness control and display hertz control already, so we will focus on TDP control/Fan speed control for the first step apps release
- battery bank
- Grip case
Not planed yet, since we are mainly for all the necessary functionality and stability implementation for the main device unit first, as for the accessories like battery bank, grip case as well as dock, it is a little bit earlier to answer these questions. We need enough concentration at the phase, please understand.
It will be well packed and shipped.
Both Loki/Loki max going very well, now we only have vibration motor not finalized.
Before the middle of this Dec
We will plan the first batches in order like, 50pcs, 300pcs, 1000pcs
It works like a natural x-box game pad
Loki Max will have only one audio profiles, but windows can apply different equilizer profile easily.
We need check with AMD whether this tool can open to public without NDA.
It should be possible, we have good supplier here.
Please refer to the upmentioned answer, too early to answer, it depends on sales volume.
Isn't it a windows natural feature?
It will be fingerprint-resistant.
(1) We finally have a full speed USB4.0 worked upto 40Gbps and wakeup from with S3/S4/S5(Different sleep mode).
(2) We make in-cell touch (TDDI) worked in USB mode, which means this IP should be reuseable for all Loki SKUs.
All mobile screen only has standard I2C protocol support, but it is a nightmare in windows to support I2C touch, as everyone knows, even we can implement customized driver for I2C touch, it is still required Windows certification, and different Loki sku might require different drivers, different certifications, which will be a big nightmare, but however, thanks for all the hardworking of ayn software engineer, now we finally make standard USB HID based touch possible, and it works very well on Loki max with 10 fingers multi-touch support simultanneously and seamlessly.
(3) Loki passed the aging test on 28Watt TDP mode.
(4) X-axiels vibration motor is the only thing that not finalized for Loki max
(5) MD design now is quite near to be finished
Probably impossible, but we controlled the bezel to be as small as possible.
It will change the entire design concept, sorry, the answer is no.
We have 2 more buttons in the frontshell, it can be used as a shortcut to ayn hud software.
it was 85% done, and it is still under developping, I know ppl hate waiting, but I want to make this launcher praise worthy.
for loki and loki max, no
for loki mini pro, no
for loki zero, yes
Yes, since the working frequency of the lowest end are significantly lower, which makes it possible.
Yes, we will choose the branded speaker which was the same as Apple, I promise it will be good enough out of the box for sure
Yes, slightly bigger, but I think the travel should be the same as Odin
membrane by default
yes, the speaker was redesigned to be front facing already.
The Intel Mini Pro failed to boot for the first hardware edition unfortunately, and we are waiting the second hardware edition to come back. As for the AMD Mini Pro version, since AMD just release the spec and engineering sample weeks ago, so it won't started until this Dec. but, don't be too sad, the good news are, all the verified periperals except for the vibration motor are all worked in Loki max and it can be easily reused in Loki Mini Pro.
manicminer1976 escribió:Nuevo diseño:
Comparativa con la Odin:
manicminer1976 escribió:Comparativa con la Odin: