Este es el resumen de Q&A que hicieron hace poco en el Discord de AYN, en resumen comentan que las Loki y Loki Max las quieren enviar para Q1 2023 y que entre octubre y noviembre veremos el primer prototipo funcional, una vez que solucionen el problema de conexión de la pantalla
1. Do you have a working prototype of the Loki that can be shown? Are any of the Loki's on track to be delivered this year?Long story short, we should be ready to show a working prototype of loki max on the end of this month, now we are still working on the eDP to MiPi bridge, we picked a converter chip which has perfect power efficiency compared with compeitor's converter chip, but this chip has known issues interfacing with AMD 6800u when fetching EDID over eDP AUX channel，so we need an extra FPGA with super small footprint and super low power consumption to fix this issue, that is why we are quiet during the past 2 weeks.
Now it is still too difficult to say we are able to ship Loki within this Q4, but I think we can have more realistic answer after we finalize the screen issues
2. Can you share any information on the change to the joysticks?We changed to the joystick with the biggest size and travel after we got plent of user's suggestion emails
3. I just want a general ship date for the max. The Odin Pro was well worth the wait so I assume the Loki Max will be as well. I have to work in the morning so PLEASE put any updated info in the news section? Thank you! Y'all rock at AynAyn's team are too stressful and too careful about all the specs of skus in Loki family, I think basically it was the old Odin users who backed us again with Loki, but in Windows gaming handheld market, we have too many competitors here in China, and as everyone knows, Aokzoe started shipping months ago, so now, the first goal for Loki is not to create the earliest shipping time, but still to create the best quality and best customer satisfaction. The estimated shipping time is Q1 of 2023.
4. what's the memory timings on the chosen DDR5 modules?The newest LPDDR5 @ 6400Mt/s, if you need further detailed timing spec, you can email us for component datasheet.
5. What are the dimensions of the loki?Since we changed to the biggest joystick, more space on the controller is required, the width will increase and we will release the new ID of Loki when we can have a working prototype which is supposed to be ready on the end of this month.
6. What is the estimated weight of the loki?I can only give a rough answer here, around 600g
7. Is the loki bag design finalized if so, can it be shown? No, not recently, the bag design is an easy and quick task and process
8. Will the loki use windows 10 or 11? It comes with Windows 11 as default
9. What are the colors of the vinyl skins for the loki? What are the estimated amount of loki units will be sent?We will vote the favorite colors for the vinyl skins for loki, and since the moq for a specific color isn't very high so the cost will be very limited, so we will create vinyl skins for high demanding colors as possible as we can
10. What is going to be used to dissipate the heat of the loki?Heatpipe + heatsink with fins + Fan
11. Can we expect the loki max to be delivered this year?Unfortunately nope, new estimate shipping date is 2023.Q1(roughly)
12. How much input has Taki had on the Loki?He gave us a lot of inputs, lol;), and over 90% of his complaints and suggetions were well accepted
13. How are the ergonomics for the loki?Right now, Loki will still have grips similar as Odin and more outstanding design for ergonomics, Loki is a quite different product with significantly higher power consumption and way much bigger battery which make the ergonimics more challenging compared with Odin. Excpets for the grips, Loki will have colored LEDs and better joysticks, as well as better L1/R1 and analog shoulder buttons, in a single word, loki will be designed to be control friendly with better ergonomics
14. Will we have a control center to control the lights tdp and fans etc...?Yes, of course
15. Can we ever expect an ayn hyper dock ( a dock meant for the loki that is connected to a egpu)? How big are the new hall effect joystick sticks in comparison to the old joysticks?We don't have plan on hyper dock with eGPU enabled, it is a super power hungury device and full of design chanllenges, and I think a third party hyper dock might be ready to go to the market next year under well-known brands. The new hall effect joysticks are much bigger than old switch style joysticks, it is basically the same size as the joystick of big existing gamepads
16. What is going to be included with the loki max ? If the loki max is not complete what is left to be done for it to be complete and be ready to ship?The biggest challenge right now is still going with the way to bring up the MiPi screen, we have mature solution on our hand which has over 600mW power consumption which blocked us to try, the high power consumption eDP to MiPi bridge will be our last safe choice, but, however, it is still to early to give up our current solution which require only 130mW, and this solution just has the last issue waiting to be fixed by a small FPGA. The power consumption of the current eDP to MiPi solution sounds too good/decent, and I hope people can hold your breath to wait our good new on next week. for me, to choose the old safe solution is the way to make people happy, it seems too stupid to take weeks long waiting for bringing up the new solution, but I hope the final power consumption of Loki can get around 500mW lower than the other competitiors, it was my dream to control the overall power consumption as possible as we can, so I need everyone's patience here
17. Why hasn’t there been any information for months after the preorders?First I am sorry that we can't make every small steps visible for all the people who preordered Loki. In my mind, I think only the progress at milestone level should be marked as a decent progress, but Nicole told me we are losing people's trust since too many users feel anxious without any good news feeding. I have to admit, our competior did a better job than us especially on marketing and communication. We are more serious on loki's design, and since we are monitored by too many competitors around, so I have to keep the design ideas confidential until it is safe to reveal. Just as what I mentioned above, we have kept answer emails on all kinds of design recommendations, and learning all kinds of stuffs from existing comments and reviews from existing models, ayn seems too slow in somebody's mind, but we are not a stupid company but with full attention on product innovation and customer's advice and suggestions. I will try to do one QA every 2/3 weeks from now on
18. Will this eDP->FPGA->MiPi-bridge->MiPI add latency?No, it won't add any latency that noticeable, just add latency in us level(less than 1ms) literally
19. Will the device come with a tuned icc profile for the screen?I am not sure whether the EDID has a separate section for ICC profile, if yes, then the aswer is yes.
but I need to check with our engineer
20. What about software? Is Ayn developing anything to controls TDP, fan power and other stuff?Sure, we will have an app come with the device for controlling all device peripherals and TDP
21. Any chance of having Steam OS support at launch?Sure, Ayn will be the partner of SteamOS
22. Any futher information on the screen, for example how many nits, is it 6 inch and 60 Hz?FHD, 1080*1920, low power consumption, TDDI, 5.9' and exact 60Hz working in MiPi video mode
23. But when will be the release date of low-end SKUS like Loki Zero and Loki Mini?The DVT board of Loki Zero is ready but it has the same problem interface with MiPi screen, it requires an external eDP to MiPi bridge solution as well, so the release date of Loki Zero should be quite close to Loki max, but Loki Mini used Mendocino which was announced on this October, so Loki Mini should be released 2 months later than Loki max
24. Any info at all on the mini and mini pro? Or the other Loki models? Great to get some max info, but there are other devices people are waiting on info about, tooPlease refer to up mentioned Question 23
25. Does that mean all the tdp controls etc will work in steamOSyes
26. Can we have adaptors to fit Loki Max in the Odin Dock removing the front acrylic panel?It seems to be a creative idea, but since the speed of typeC will be limited, I don't know whether people minds the speed loss or not, and if not, this idea should be a great idea and it worths a try
27. Is the manufacturing process going to run smoothly for Loki after what you have learnt for Odin?haha, this is a fantastic question, ya actually we are trying our best to cooperate with big assembling factories with very decent productivity and good quality management flow, and actually we have 3 candidates and each of them have around 500 workers and more than 20 assembling lines and stable amount of employees and excellent management team
28. what kind of thermal headroom can we expect with the cooling system - like what kind of wattage can we run at realistically (assuming we are plugged into the wall)?The design goal of the current cooling system of Loki max and Loki is 28W~30W
29. USB 4.0 20G is working fine as you guys mentioned but is 40G the goal?Yes, 40G is my dream and also the dream of AMD support team
30. What would you say to someone on the fence about cancelling their preorder for a similar product from a competitor? Why should someone choose a Loki over competing handhelds shipping this year?I don't want that people will think Loki is scam for collecting money, that is why I didn't choose IGG but preorder on Shopify, your money is safe because Paypal won't release the money until the shippment happens. I have nothing to say to the people who on the fence abouth cenceling their preorder, since it was people's free chocie, but I want to say THANKS to the people who keep his faith trusting ayn. Except for the affordable price wise, we care every technical details and Loki's eDP to MiPi bridge is a typical example. So, the safe money, the price, the efforts on detail aspect of specs, the continuous listening to customer's voice, the honest attitude on technology, any of the item listed above should be reason for people to wait Loki
31. What i want to know Is The Release date of loki mini Pro Intel ? When is the release dateThe begining of Q2
33. Will AYN pursue more Android handhelds in the future, like an Odin sequel? Or are you firmly moving to Mini PCs? What's the general vision of the future for AYN products?I hope ayn can shine like a super star in Android handhelds, and actually for the consideration of Odin sequel, we will give some amazing surprise to supported users, we will not choose outdated processor but maybe the most modern technology from Qualcomm, and we don't have plan to move to MiniPC currently. Since now we have good userbase of Android handhelds and maybe good userbase of Windows handhelds, we won't stop on mid-end product only but a higher end product tier should be targeted. Both Steve Jobs and Apple are my learning example, I hope we can be Apple in this niche market one day in the future
34. Any chance for replaceable battery pack design similar to Sony PSP? And playable when having wired charging without battery. In that edge use can we can get Better ergo from the lighter weight ( without battery)[b]
Ya, the current board doesn't have this consideration for power the device using wired charging without battery, but I think it is a very nice idea, and we will consider your request, I need to check with our engineer. Thanks so much!
[b]35. So Loki Zero would also be released in the same release window as Loki Max?Ya, should be very close
36. What about the regular Loki?same timeframe as Loki max
37. can we have some specs for the audio?At this point what I can tell is, it will have better audio than Odin, since the room for the speaker is way larger
38. Taki Udon told Brazilians that at one point Ayn was thinking of offering an Upgrade from the AMD 3050e to a Ryzen 3 3200u for the Loki Zero model, and that this Upgrade would cost between $30 or $40, is that correct?Yes, now it is still possible, since 3200u is pin to pin compatible with 3050e, the final decision is depends on the MOQ, that is to say, if we got enough people (typically 500) who like a 3200u upgrade, this will happen
39. will it void warranty replacing the oroginal SSD?No, if you follow our instructions and keep loving ayn.
40. How much bigger than Odin is the device going to be? Or wider ratherIt will be wider for giving room to the big joystick with good enough travel
41. I would like to know how many accessibility buttons there will be on the final Loki device? AYANEO has two buttons on the front shell (for TDP control via AYA Space and return to desktop) and 2 on the top besides the shoulder buttons which act in two ways: pressing it once (on-screen keyboard and ESC) and holding it for a few seconds (task manager and application overview) which gives us a total of 6 action buttons and they can be customized in the AYA Space app. I can see 3 buttons on the mockup from your website (one home button on the front and two on the back like the Odin). Are there any changes and can they be customized via your own app?We will have 2 accessibility buttions on the front shell and 2 on the back, the functions are software defined( these 4 buttons have wired connections to EC(bios managements)
42. I know all your current devices have 6-inch screen (or 5.9 for that matter). Do you plan for larger screens for future devices? Especially for Windows handheldsI think it depends on 2 factors for us to consider a wider screen.
1. People love it
2. The screen is decent enough especially with good specs and features
43. Hi Nicole if the wattage is 28-30Wwhats that going to mean for battery life? Seems quite highIt means how many watt the cooling system can handle for 6800's TDP
44. Are you considering add 4px shipping to more products aside from Loki Zero? Also, can Andy sign my Loki? OD2791 (still need to be able to pay it once again)Thanks for your suggestion, we will consider adding 4px for more products soon, and yes, it will my pleasure and my great honor to sign your Loki
45. Are the aesthetic design of all SKUS similar or do they have differences and particularities from each other? Has the design changed a lot from the ones shown on Ayn's website, or are they still the same?Not the same as the we showed on the website, and we will reveal the design once the screen issue is fixed, maybe in the middle of November
46. I understand that but what’s it going to mean for real world battery life? Under 2 hours?That depends on the TDP you are working with. Literally speaking, for a 45wh battery, if you are working with a 15W TDP, you are likely to have 2hours as the battery life
47. Will the battery life be more than 2 hours for the mini pro intel and lower devices?I think for miniPro AMD, it should be better, but for mini pro Intel, since it was the same 15W tdp device, I think the batter life advantage won't be that big
48. Can we have 40Hz and 50Hz refresh rate options along with 60Hz? 40Hz is a good compromise for heavy AAA PC games, 50Hz is useful for emulating PAL retrogamesYes, actually we will have 6 candidate eDP timing defined in EDID table, we got the suggestion for enabling 40Hz refresh rate for heavy AAA games from email discussion
49. not Loki but is the upside down Android bug after installing win11 on new Odins known?yes, it was a known issue, and our engineer will help the community to fix it, it is easy fix though
50. I don't know if it has already been answered but since you use hall sensor analog triggers according to the website, will the two joysticks also be hall sensor technology? It's only mentioned for the shoulder buttonsya, the two joysticks are swapable to be hall base or not. we have both components for people, don't worry
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